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shalvats wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:47 pm
Dear friends, I am looking for Rosalyn Tureck's edition of Italian Concerto!
I own the Tureck edition of the Italian Concerto, and I highly recommend it to anyone who enjoys a peek into how a musician of Tureck's stature approaches learning and interpreting a work.
As your uploaded image of the first page Andante shows, this is clearly not an 'urtext work' in the commonly understood sense. Tureck writes that since there survives no 'original' of this work -- only later copies and editions -- a true urtext is unattainable. Thus, she has chosen to edit the work according to her understanding of the 'performance practices' of the period. Of course, her decisions have been scrutinized and criticized by other pianists and IMO justly so, in one particular case. No one would -- or should -- confuse this with urtext.
I would describe this edition as 'What and urtext edition of the Italian Concerto would look like, after having ten piano lessons on the piece with Roselyn Tureck (pencil in-hand)."
I'm a big fan of performance editions. Those by Earl Wild of selected works by Liszt, are particularly illuminating, in their clever use of hand distribution to better do justice to the music itself. I would put Tureck's contribution alongside this. Her choices of fingering are interesting, because they directly serve the articulation of the music.
shalvats wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:47 pm
Dear friends, I am looking for Rosalyn Tureck's edition of Italian Concerto!
I own the Tureck edition of the Italian Concerto, and I highly recommend it to anyone who enjoys a peek into how a musician of Tureck's stature approaches learning and interpreting a work.
As your uploaded image of the first page Andante shows, this is clearly not an 'urtext work' in the commonly understood sense. Tureck writes that since there survives no 'original' of this work -- only later copies and editions -- a true urtext is unattainable. Thus, she has chosen to edit the work according to her understanding of the 'performance practices' of the period. Of course, her decisions have been scrutinized and criticized by other pianists and IMO justly so, in one particular case. No one would -- or should -- confuse this with urtext.
I would describe this edition as 'What and urtext edition of the Italian Concerto would look like, after having ten piano lessons on the piece with Roselyn Tureck (pencil in-hand)."
I'm a big fan of performance editions. Those by Earl Wild of selected works by Liszt, are particularly illuminating, in their clever use of hand distribution to better do justice to the music itself. I would put Tureck's contribution alongside this. Her choices of fingering are interesting, because they directly serve the articulation of the music.
you are right, Tureck's understanding of the second movement has a highly personal sense, I tried it on my old grand piano and result was great, its soft sound with Tureck's thoughtful ornamentation produced effect of an old archive recording. I never saw other pages of it, due of corona, I cant order the score right now, as I live in Georgia (not USA state).
Re: Bach - Hyphenated
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 6:02 pm
by Aggelos
Bach / Junichi Steven Sato : Passacaglia and Fugue BWV 582 (nms)
Bach Carl Philipp Emanuel / Junichi Steven Sato : Suscepit Israel , Aria from Magnificat
Mod edit: files removed due to copyright issues. FB
Re: Bach - Hyphenated
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:59 pm
by tracyross
I would love to see more of these Sato transcriptions and also, how are these public domain?
Re: Bach - Hyphenated
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:52 am
by bingo
tracyross wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:59 pm
I would love to see more of these Sato transcriptions and also, how are these public domain?
tracyross wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:59 pm
I would love to see more of these Sato transcriptions and also, how are these public domain?
Good question - the above files do appear to be an infringement of c*p*r*ght.
Re: Bach - Hyphenated
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:19 am
by fredbucket
Timtin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:06 am
Good question - the above files do appear to be an infringement of c*p*r*ght.
Agreed. Files have been removed.
Regards
Fred
Re: Bach - Hyphenated
Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 11:46 pm
by tonylucuchu
Does anyone know if there is a romantic era arrangement of the Bach fantasy and fugue BwV 903? The Busoni edition only offered a few alternatives and same with the Bulow edition. I found a few romantic interpretation recordings on YouTube and it made me think that perhaps there's a relatively unknown arrangement that offers more octaves, adding more voices in the fugue, and possibly a cadenza?
Re: Bach - Hyphenated
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 9:44 pm
by bingo
tonylucuchu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 11:46 pm
Does anyone know if there is a romantic era arrangement of the Bach fantasy and fugue BwV 903? The Busoni edition only offered a few alternatives and same with the Bulow edition. I found a few romantic interpretation recordings on YouTube and it made me think that perhaps there's a relatively unknown arrangement that offers more octaves, adding more voices in the fugue, and possibly a cadenza?
There's a Sorabji arrangement too.
The recordings you reference are probably player indulgences which were more common before modern urtext practices. If they exist written down it would be likely as third-party performance transcriptions as done for Horowitz, Volodos et al.
Re: Bach - Hyphenated
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:39 am
by shalvats
tonylucuchu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 11:46 pm
Does anyone know if there is a romantic era arrangement of the Bach fantasy and fugue BwV 903? The Busoni edition only offered a few alternatives and same with the Bulow edition. I found a few romantic interpretation recordings on YouTube and it made me think that perhaps there's a relatively unknown arrangement that offers more octaves, adding more voices in the fugue, and possibly a cadenza?
try Sorabji's version, you can find the score easily