Graceless notes and other type-setting discoveries
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Graceless notes and other type-setting discoveries
I have discovered a new grace-note/ornament in the wild,which I have christened the carcrashiatura:
From the last measures of Friedman's arrangement of Les Fifres, by Dandrieu.
From the last measures of Friedman's arrangement of Les Fifres, by Dandrieu.
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Re: Graceless notes and other type-setting discoveries
Yes, I have that score. When you look at it, it really is an upper mordent played (necessarily) with both hands. I'm not so sure about the crossing of the appogiaturas though. Friedman obviously wanted it played on the beat, not before the beat.
Incidentally, a few bars earlier has a number of triple-dotted quavers. I think those would be fairly rare.
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Incidentally, a few bars earlier has a number of triple-dotted quavers. I think those would be fairly rare.
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Re: Graceless notes and other type-setting discoveries
I think that the only other score I've noticed with a triple-dot is also by Friedman.
In this particular case, it's a fudge to allow the matching 11- and 13-tuples glissando finish in the left-hand.
In this particular case, it's a fudge to allow the matching 11- and 13-tuples glissando finish in the left-hand.
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Re: Graceless notes and other type-setting discoveries
The last movement of Liszt's 1st piano concerto has, I believe a quadruple-dotted minim about 4 bars before the end
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Re: Graceless notes and other type-setting discoveries
The copies I have of that all have a triple dot...
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A good spot though, this is a genuine one instead of the the 'fudged' one above.
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Re: Graceless notes and other type-setting discoveries
You're right (although I was close). So it's probably about as rare as a B double-sharp...
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Re: Graceless notes and other type-setting discoveries
If I had all my scores in uncompressed MusicXML format, I could just search on a sequence of <dot> markup to identify all multiply-dotted notes.
<type>eighth</type>
<dot/>
<dot/>
<dot/>
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<type>eighth</type>
<dot/>
<dot/>
<dot/>
Music thesis anyone?
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Re: Graceless notes and other type-setting discoveries
The SECOND Concerto also has quadruple-dotted minims (m.327 and 331):fredbucket wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:58 pmThe copies I have of that all have a triple dot...
A good spot though, this is a genuine one instead of the the 'fudged' one above.
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Chopin, "only" has a triple-dotted minim in his 2nd Sonata, Op.35 (1st mvmt):
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Re: Graceless notes and other type-setting discoveries
Chopin, "only" has a triple-dotted minim in his 2nd Sonata, Op.35 (1st mvmt):
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Interestingly, that 2nd Sonata is also where you can find Chopin's only notated B double-sharp
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Interestingly, that 2nd Sonata is also where you can find Chopin's only notated B double-sharp