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Re: Miniatury Fortepianowe PWM

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:22 pm
by alfor
Dear fleubis,

thank you for feedback!

Miniatury fortepianowe 66. ed. Rieger
Lully gawot

Miniatury fortepianowe 67. ed. Rieger
Prokofiew gawot op. 32 nr 3

alfor scans

Lully gawot MF66.pdf
Prokofiew gawot op.32,3 MF67.pdf

Re: Miniatury Fortepianowe PWM

Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:11 am
by fredbucket
alfor wrote:Miniatury fortepianowe 66. ed. Rieger - Lully gawot
...except that this is not Jean-Baptiste LULLY, but Jean-Baptiste LOEILLET - and to add to the confusion there were two of those (cousins) "John Loeillet of London" (1680-1730) (who probably wrote this) and "Loeillet de Gant" (1688-~1720") (who probably didn't).

The Lully/Loeillet(s) confusion can be found in many publications of the late 19th century and afterwards.

Regards
Fred

Re: Miniatury Fortepianowe PWM

Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:49 am
by fleubis
Thank you, Alfred, for posting the well known Prokofiev Gavotte and the less well know Lully. Kudos also to Fred for likely naming the correct composer. I was only vaguely aware that there was more than one "Lully". I like that PWM wrote out the ornamentation for us non students of French baroque style.

Re: Miniatury Fortepianowe PWM

Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:31 am
by fredbucket
fleubis wrote:I like that PWM wrote out the ornamentation for us non students of French baroque style.
They missed the notes inegales, though :)

Regards
Fred

Re: Miniatury Fortepianowe PWM

Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:09 pm
by alfor
fredbucket wrote:
alfor wrote:Miniatury fortepianowe 66. ed. Rieger - Lully gawot
...except that this is not Jean-Baptiste LULLY, but Jean-Baptiste LOEILLET - and to add to the confusion there were two of those (cousins) "John Loeillet of London" (1680-1730) (who probably wrote this) and "Loeillet de Gant" (1688-~1720") (who probably didn't).

The Lully/Loeillet(s) confusion can be found in many publications of the late 19th century and afterwards.

Regards
Fred
Thank you very much for alerting us (once again as I remember). --- Regarding Couperin and Rameau, we seem to be on safer grounds. --- Regarding ornamentation I will consult my copy of Ferguson's (yes, gay Howy) excellent „Keyboard interpretation“. --- Imho it is the British who managed to invent the most idiosyncratic signs for ornaments ;) .

Re: Miniatury Fortepianowe PWM

Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:22 pm
by alfor
The „Lully gawot“ is in fact neither by Lully nor by Loeillet I or Loeillet II
but by Marin
MARAIS (1656-1728). It is a (19th century?) arrangement of No. 24 from
„Pièces de viole, 1ere livre“ for Viola da gamba and Continuo:

Marais pieces de viole livre I #24.pdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mcEyj39RY4

See also:

http://suzukiskeptic.wordpress.com/2011 ... it-marais/

Re: Miniatury Fortepianowe PWM

Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:28 pm
by fleubis
I'm speechless on this one and best that I remain so.

Re: Miniatury Fortepianowe PWM

Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:32 pm
by alfor
P.S. In the PWM version (or even less „authentic“ versions) it was rather popular and
was recorded by pianists like Cziffra a.o.

Re: Miniatury Fortepianowe PWM

Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:37 pm
by fredbucket
fleubis wrote:I'm speechless on this one and best that I remain so.
Get well soon.

Regards
Fred

Re: Miniatury Fortepianowe PWM

Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:57 pm
by alfor
Miniatury fortepianowe 69. ed. Rieger
Field dwa nokturny

by Alfor S. Cans

Field dwa nokturny MF69.pdf