Pianophilia

thalbergmad wrote:

ahinton wrote: can't you please do that?

No, I can't.

In order to do so, I would have to spend time listening to Sorabji recordings and having done so in the past, I have no great desire to put myself through that kind of torture again, especially as I have some non plinky Alwyn to listen to tonight.

Even if I did, you would still not accept, what after all, is simply my personal opinion which i do not have to justify.

Most people on here simply accept me for the jibbering musically illiterate idiot that I am, so I suggest you do the same.

So you're not going to tell us what makes Kaikhosru plinky and William non-plinky, then; OK - that's your prerogative, I guess.

I would indeed accept your personal opinion if it were backed up with some reasoning. Most people on here do not regard you as anything like the way you describe yourself here, so I will not start doing so either!

Best,

Alistair

ahinton wrote: So you're not going to tell us what makes Kaikhosru plinky and William non-plinky, then; OK - that's your prerogative, I guess.

I would love to, but I have not the ability or desire.

I am off to play me Alwyn now and hope this exchange is at an end.

Somehow I doubt it.

Thal

thalbergmad wrote:

ahinton wrote: So you're not going to tell us what makes Kaikhosru plinky and William non-plinky, then; OK - that's your prerogative, I guess.

I would love to, but I have not the ability or desire.

I am off to play me Alwyn now and hope this exchange is at an end.

Somehow I doubt it.

Well, at least you would love to! That's something! Enjoy your Alwyn; what work/s of his will you be listening to?

Best,

Alistair

I will be attempting to play the 1st piano concerto.

Thal

Ancient book in CPS archives.

Thal

I have been playing this sonata by Pinto that is freely donwnloadable from the Werner Icking Library.

Not Mozart level, but worthy of attention and I would submit a good student piece.

If I can play it, any bugger can.

Thal

ahinton wrote: For what it (isn't) worth, when I asked a pianist that I know why he called his son Stanford he replied "becuase I wanted to be sure that he wouldn't be a professional musician"...

For every quote there is one to counter it. I'd rather like to close the debate
with one to counter the above quote.

"In Stanford's music the sense of style, the sense of beauty, the feeling of a
great tradition in never absent" - Ralph Vaughan Williams.

I leave others to decide which of the above quotes has the greater currency value.

thalbergmad wrote:Ancient book in CPS archives.

Ah, so 'tis Arthur that was the plinky-plonky merchant, then?!

Now go find and post a copy of a piece by Richard Sorabji just to endorse your point(!)...

Oh - neither was related to the other in either case (as you almost certainly know already)...

Best,

Alistair

Timtin wrote:

ahinton wrote: For what it (isn't) worth, when I asked a pianist that I know why he called his son Stanford he replied "becuase I wanted to be sure that he wouldn't be a professional musician"...

For every quote there is one to counter it. I'd rather like to close the debate
with one to counter the above quote.

"In Stanford's music the sense of style, the sense of beauty, the feeling of a
great tradition in never absent" - Ralph Vaughan Williams.

I leave others to decide which of the above quotes has the greater currency value.

I think it hardly necessary to do that, since (a) the "debate" is already closed (it must be, for Thal probably thinks that it is) and (b) it is patently obvious that the pianist's remark was meant in jest whereas RVW's was not. I have immense respect for RVW but happen not to share those particular thoughts of his about Stanford, to whom (at his best) he was (in my view) a vastly superior composer. RVW's remark is typical of his humility and generosity of spirit ; one example of the former was his willingness to study with a French composer three years his junior and one of the latter his spirited defence of Alan Bush against the mercifully brief but profoundly ill-considered BBC ban on his work.

I'm not therefore convinced that "currency value" is quite the point here.

Best,

Alistair

Just to leave my opinion, about how much opinions can be relevant ... In the past, I didn't like Sorabji, but now I even enjoy it, so I'm not against Sorabji in anyway. Anyway, Stanford is also a great composer and has composed good music, and if he was so bad, everybody would agree with that, which is not the case.
However, that's not the remark I wished to leave in this topic. I think one likes what he wants, and no one has anything to do with that, and also, whoever has worked hardly in the past composing music, and it's still remembered today, like is the case of Sorabji and Stanford, deserves respect of everyone.
Just saying, if I want to come up with arguments, to insult any composer I want, I can do it, but I don't believe that's the right attitude and whatever made Sorabji and others criticize other composers, only them know the reason. It's like I would stop like Chopin ,just because of Gould's opinion.