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Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:39 pm
by alfor
Nachtstücke III (not from Ernst Theodor Amadeus!):
Chopin Nocturnes H.3 ed. Kreutzer.pdf
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:35 pm
by fleubis
Thank you, Alfred. I have only played the D flat nocturne so now I'm taking the time to look the C# minor one, both lovingly edited by our dear Kreutzer.
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:35 pm
by alfor
Dear fleubis,
you are welcome! The C# minor surely is one of the finest!!
Dear Ferruccio,
did you know that Ferruccio B. was a bibliomaniac? His special field was
Erstausgaben der Werke Ernst Theodor Amadeus Hoffmanns!!
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:03 pm
by alfor
kreu(t)zweise...
Chopin Valse op.42 ed. Kreutzer.pdf
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:48 pm
by Ferruccio
alfor wrote:Dear fleubis,
you are welcome! The C# minor surely is one of the finest!!
Dear Ferruccio,
did you know that Ferruccio B. was a bibliomaniac? His special field was
Erstausgaben der Werke Ernst Theodor Amadeus Hoffmanns!!
Dear Alfor,
I think, I KNEW that 20 years ago. But it has not been present in my head. Thanks for info!!

Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:46 pm
by fleubis
Amazings infos about our illustrious member, Ferruccio! All most of us know about E.T.A. Hoffman is that he is the source for much musical inspiration like The Tales of Hoffman, The Nutcracker and most important for us, Kreisleriana. Alas, his writings, etc., have gathered much dust over the decades.
Greatly enjoyed playing the famous 3 against 2 Valse today. I remember being quite intrigued by by these cross rhythms when young as it works so very well in Chopin's hands. What Kreutzer brings us is some very interesting pedal marks and am totally fascinated by where he holds the pedal through the 3rd beat and where he does not and his suggestions add significantly to the clarity.
Wonderful, Alfred!
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:33 pm
by alfor
Federico CHOPINO (Polish-French composer of Spanish origin - ?):
Chopin Walzer op69,1+2 ed. Kreutzer.pdf
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:13 pm
by alfor
Frederic SHOPIN (Polish-French composer of British origin - ?):
Chopin Walzer op.70,3; e flat minor ed. Kreutzer.pdf
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:41 pm
by fleubis
Looks like I'll be dancing the nite away with these valse's. I remember years ago being astonished that Rubinstein made his recording of all the valse's in a SINGLE DAY.
Thank you, Alfred.
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:06 am
by phikfy
Thanks for the Nocturnes Alfor. I like to see how Kreutzer displays his sensitivity towards the hidden inner voice and how he draws our attentions to the progression of the musical flow by adding the tenuto marks on certain notes. Interestingly, there are even places that he marks rub - he teaches the pianists when to apply rubato explicitly. Nice and inspiring materials indeed.