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Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:15 pm
by alfor
You are welcome, dear fleubis (further on I will try to communicate in Japanese...
)
Some Kreutzer info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Kreutzer
http://www.lexm.uni-hamburg.de/object/l ... n_00002778
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:08 pm
by alfor
お世辞でfleubis、ため。
P.S.私はいつ、あなたの回顧録読むことができますか?
alfor scan
Chopin Preludes 15-18 ed. Kreutzer.pdf
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:23 pm
by alfor
Les pièces finales:
alfor scan
Chopin Preludes 19-25 ed. Kreutzer.pdf
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:49 pm
by fleubis
Alfred,
I think we are all delighted to have all the preludes in this fine edition by Kreutzer.These really display well on my monitor, being in such a hires format.
Well, the people at PianoRareScores are continuing to rip off your hard work, Alfred. At this moment they haven't yet added added the final two volumes of the preludes, but that will probably happen before you read this post.
http://www.pianorarescores.com/chopin-w ... utzer.html
Seems the only way this can be stopped is if Pianophiia were made more search engine friendly, so people would come here and join Pianophilia instead of being ripped off. This is much easier said than done, particularly with forum software, however.
I know all of us appreciate the great amount of work you put into locating and posting so many interesting scores for us.
P.S.: It'll be a mighty strange day if I should publish my memoires, Alfred!

Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:35 am
by phikfy
Thanks Alfor for these wonderful Chopin-Kreutzer editions. I especially like to look at the fingerings like the coda of 4th Ballade.
It's so bad that the PIANORARESCORES makes profit with your effort. I think you should add some kind of water mark that cannot be removed on every page of your scan?
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:06 pm
by alfor
Dear fleubis, dear phikfy,
you are welcome!
I don't think it is worth the effort trying to prevent these people from using other people's scans.
These are public domain and fortunately I own the original paper issues in good condition.
When posting genuine alfor compositions, it would be a totally different matter!!!
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:19 pm
by alfor
alfor scan:
Chopin Polonaise op.53 ed. Kreutzer.pdf
P.S. Dear people from
PIANORARESCORES,
you are
stealing my scans and selling them on your website!!!
Thou shalt not steal! (So I can not predict how your behavior will affect!!!)
But if you are spending all the money for the
welfare of others, please go on!
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:52 pm
by fleubis
Alfred, I welcome Kreutzer's edition of the Heroic Polonaise! I was very interesting to see what Krutzer would supply for pedaling, especially in the "galloping horses" section. I must say, this seems to show it's age....we have all heard many great pianists play this piece and many of us play this piece very well, I'm sure. But pedaling traditions and interpretations change and given it's historical context, we have a window into time with this fine edition, and thus a source of inspiration.( Likely the most interesting will be Kreutzer's edition of the mazurkas. But let's not rush into things!

)
phikfy commented on the fingering in the 4th Ballad's and this is well worth mentioning (as the pedaling) and I've found some passages there that are different from what I've employed for years. Comparing Kreutzer to Cortot is providing a whole lot of insight (and in a few others). Contained therein is these editions is an opportunity to play things differently than the rather homogeneous, cookie cutter sound conservatory pianists are giving us today.
P.S.: phikfy has a real idea there on watermarking your scores, Alfred.
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:44 pm
by alfor
fleubis wrote:...P.S.: phikfy has a real idea there on watermarking your scores, Alfred.
Dear fleubis,
thank you for your interesting comments.
As I personally do not appreciate watermarked scores, I don't think I will do that with my own scans.
If you like, all of you can send critical comments to the owners of pianorarescores:
http://www.pianorarescores.com/contacts/
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:32 am
by phikfy
fleubis wrote:Alfred, I welcome Kreutzer's edition of the Heroic Polonaise! I was very interesting to see what Krutzer would supply for pedaling, especially in the "galloping horses" section. I must say, this seems to show it's age....we have all heard many great pianists play this piece and many of us play this piece very well, I'm sure. But pedaling traditions and interpretations change and given it's historical context, we have a window into time with this fine edition, and thus a source of inspiration.( Likely the most interesting will be Kreutzer's edition of the mazurkas. But let's not rush into things!

)
phikfy commented on the fingering in the 4th Ballad's and this is well worth mentioning (as the pedaling) and I've found some passages there that are different from what I've employed for years. Comparing Kreutzer to Cortot is providing a whole lot of insight (and in a few others). Contained therein is these editions is an opportunity to play things differently than the rather homogeneous, cookie cutter sound conservatory pianists are giving us today.
P.S.: phikfy has a real idea there on watermarking your scores, Alfred.
For me, Kreutzer seems to use a lot of 4th fingers, which panics me.

The 'modification' of the ending sweep of the 4th Ballade is so Horowitzian. I immediately recall the image of the Maestro playing the final chromatic of the 1st Scherzo in alternate octaves.
