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Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:04 pm
by alfor
Chopin through the eyes of Raoul PUGNO (especially for French-speaking pianophilians):
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Pugno Chopin lessons.pdf
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:06 pm
by soh choon wee
I come across some information that, leonid kreutzer had edited some (or even complete) Chopin, but that is about all I know.
Does anyone has any information (and/or scan) of this edition?? I hope it has passed the copyright period.
Thank you, any information is invaluable.
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:16 pm
by alfor
soh choon wee wrote:I come across some information that, leonid kreutzer had edited some (or even complete) Chopin, but that is about all I know.
Does anyone has any information (and/or scan) of this edition?? I hope it has passed the copyright period.
Thank you, any information is invaluable.
Indeed complete (nearly)!
genuine alfor scan (= „non-gallica“, or in German: „ohne Galle“):
Chopin Ballade op.23 ed. Kreutzer.pdf
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:25 pm
by soh choon wee
alfor wrote:soh choon wee wrote:I come across some information that, leonid kreutzer had edited some (or even complete) Chopin, but that is about all I know.
Does anyone has any information (and/or scan) of this edition?? I hope it has passed the copyright period.
Thank you, any information is invaluable.
Indeed complete (nearly)!
genuine alfor scan (= „non-gallica“, or in German: „ohne Galle“):
Chopin Ballade op.23 ed. Kreutzer.pdf
Indeed interesting.... wonder is there more (specifically Scherzo and polonaise)??
Or sources??
Thank you very much.
Dear Alfor, just out of curiosity, how you finger the first three bars of this particular ballade?? Not a fast passage, almost any fingering are usable, but just uncomfortable (if you try to change hand position at the same time), or comfortable (but you have to change hand position at different time).
In my teaching career.... I hate to give any suggestion to my students.
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:06 pm
by fleubis
Alfred, this Kreutzer edition is quite a worthy one. Excellently fingered, IMHO.
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:14 pm
by alfor
fleubis wrote:Alfred, this Kreutzer edition is quite a worthy one. Excellently fingered, IMHO.
Dear soh, dear fleubis,
more to come! I do not have the complete Kreutzer edition, but quite a lot of it.
I will post some fingering suggestions, but let me say that imho in the bars in question
it is hardly avoidable to stretch and contract the hand for several times.
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:22 am
by fleubis
alfor wrote:fleubis wrote:Alfred, this Kreutzer edition is quite a worthy one. Excellently fingered, IMHO.
Dear soh, dear fleubis,
more to come! I do not have the complete Kreutzer edition, but quite a lot of it.
I will post some fingering suggestions, but let me say that imho in the bars in question
it is hardly avoidable to stretch and contract the hand for several times.
Agreed! I never had a problem with this passage, and my small hands only span a 9th. I would be particularly interested in Krutzer's edition of the Etudes--a never ending source of introspection.
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:33 pm
by alfor
My fingering for the beginning of op. 23:
1) more or less „normal“
r.h. 1 2 3 4------5 1 2 4---5 1 2 4---5 1 3 2 1 2
l.h. 1^5 4 2 1---3 5 2 1---3 5 2 1---2 5 2 3 1 2
2) a bit „daring“ and surely not essential (grouping follows the finger pattern);
careful pedal use assumed:
r.h. 1 2 4-----2 3 1 5----2 3 1 5----2 3 1----3 2 1 2
l.h. 1^5 3 1--3 2 4 1----3 2 4 1----3 2 5----2 3 1 2
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:40 pm
by alfor
genuine alfor scans:
Chopin Ballade op.38 ed. Kreutzer.pdf
Chopin Ballade op.47 ed. Kreutzer.pdf
Re: Frédéric Chopin
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:02 am
by fleubis
I appreciate the HIGH QUALITY of genuine Alfor scans.....especially after view Gallacia!
It is very interesting to compare Kreutzer and Cortot versions of the Ballads.....
Wonderful scans, Alfred and great editing by another great editor.