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Re: Piano Transcriptions for two hands
Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 9:35 pm
by alfor
kroket wrote:Schumann-Kirchner Dichterliebe op.48 Kroket.pdf
Schumann-Kirchner Dichterliebe op.48 Alfor.pdf
Schumann Dichterliebe 2-hands by Th. Kirchner: different versions!
On Jan 16, 2011 Alfor posted a scan of Theodor Kirchner's 2-hand arrangement of Schumanns songcycle Dichterliebe. I wouldn't dare to compete with Alfors beautiful scans, but in this case I must offer my own scan. The arrangement in my album of Kirchner's Dichterliebe is in many details different from the album Alfor has scanned. And both versions are published by Peters! It puzzles me why 2 different versions exists. Did Kirchner really made two arrangements or did some editor from Peters make some adjustments? Alfors album has Peters number 7038 and my album has number 5697. To facilitate the comparison of the 2 versions, I thought it wise to upload in this post also Alfors earlier scan.
Greetings,
kroket
Fascinating, dear kroket!
Your version is much more difficult!! I can only imagine that either both versions had been published at the same time, or that Peters demanded an easier version to replace the more difficult one.
Re: Piano Transcriptions for two hands
Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 9:40 pm
by kroket
alfor wrote:kroket wrote:Schumann-Kirchner Dichterliebe op.48 Kroket.pdf
Schumann-Kirchner Dichterliebe op.48 Alfor.pdf
Schumann Dichterliebe 2-hands by Th. Kirchner: different versions!
Your version is much more difficult!! I can only imagine that either both versions had been published at the same time, or that Peters demanded an easier version to replace the more difficult one.
Yes, this might be a good explanation, Alfor. Reminds me of an album I saw in a music store, titled "Mendelssohn made playable"... But in the Kirchner case both versions are good.
Greetings, kroket
Re: Piano Transcriptions for two hands
Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 10:23 pm
by Timtin
Mercuzio wrote:Kindertotenlieder No. 5 (Gustav Mahler)
Kindertotenlieder (complete) Gustav Mahler.pdf
Hi Mercuzio - many thanks for completing Mahler's Kindertotenlieder,
and my apologies for not spotting your final movement transcription sooner.
As a completist, the whole is most definitely more than the sum of the parts!
Re: Piano Transcriptions for two hands
Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 1:24 am
by remy
kroket wrote:Schumann-Kirchner Dichterliebe op.48 Kroket.pdf
Schumann-Kirchner Dichterliebe op.48 Alfor.pdf
Schumann Dichterliebe 2-hands by Th. Kirchner: different versions!
On Jan 16, 2011 Alfor posted a scan of Theodor Kirchner's 2-hand arrangement of Schumanns songcycle Dichterliebe. I wouldn't dare to compete with Alfors beautiful scans, but in this case I must offer my own scan. The arrangement in my album of Kirchner's Dichterliebe is in many details different from the album Alfor has scanned. And both versions are published by Peters! It puzzles me why 2 different versions exists. Did Kirchner really made two arrangements or did some editor from Peters make some adjustments? Alfors album has Peters number 7038 and my album has number 5697. To facilitate the comparison of the 2 versions, I thought it wise to upload in this post also Alfors earlier scan.
Greetings,
kroket
Thank you, Kroket.
Schumann's songs generally exist in two versions, low voice and high voice. Yours is the low voice version and Alfor's is the soprano version.
(These are both technically the high voice version, being in the original keys. I probably should have said that Kroket's is the tenor version and Alfor's is the soprano version.)
Still, great to have both versions.
jeremy
Re: Piano Transcriptions for two hands
Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 4:31 am
by kroket
Schumann Dichterliebe 2-hands by Th. Kirchner: different versions!
Schumann's songs generally exist in two versions, low voice and high voice. Yours is the low voice version and Alfor's is the soprano version.
(These are both technically the high voice version, being in the original keys. I probably should have said that Kroket's is the tenor version and Alfor's is the soprano version.)
Still, great to have both versions.
jeremy[/quote][/quote]
That's another explanation that seems plausible, and one that I never would have thought of. Thank you, Jeremy.
Greetings, kroket
Re: Piano Transcriptions for two hands
Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 5:48 am
by kroket
Schumann Lieder-album 2H Reinecke.pdf
parag wrote:Is there a 2H transcription of Schumann's Dichterliebe other than the one by Kirchner? The OT mentions some by Reinecke... would anyone have Im wunderschonen monat mai in particular? (sorry Alfor for the missing umlauts
)
Thanks,
Parag
Not the entire Dichterliebe, but this Reinecke Schumann-album does contain Im wunderschonen Monat Mai.The request by Parag was from january 2011, so let's say better late than never!
Greetings,
Kroket
Re: Piano Transcriptions for two hands
Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 5:19 pm
by paolor
kroket wrote:Schumann Lieder-album 2H Reinecke.pdf
parag wrote:Is there a 2H transcription of Schumann's Dichterliebe other than the one by Kirchner? The OT mentions some by Reinecke... would anyone have Im wunderschonen monat mai in particular? (sorry Alfor for the missing umlauts
)
Thanks,
Parag
Not the entire Dichterliebe, but this Reinecke Schumann-album does contain Im wunderschonen Monat Mai.The request by Parag was from january 2011, so let's say better late than never!
Greetings,
Kroket
Many thanks for these beautiful transcriptions !
paolor
Re: Piano Transcriptions for two hands
Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 9:37 pm
by parag
kroket wrote:Schumann Lieder-album 2H Reinecke.pdf
parag wrote:Is there a 2H transcription of Schumann's Dichterliebe other than the one by Kirchner? The OT mentions some by Reinecke... would anyone have Im wunderschonen monat mai in particular? (sorry Alfor for the missing umlauts
)
Thanks,
Parag
Not the entire Dichterliebe, but this Reinecke Schumann-album does contain Im wunderschonen Monat Mai.The request by Parag was from january 2011, so let's say better late than never!
Greetings,
Kroket
Lovely!
Thank you Kroket...
Best regards,
Parag
Re: Piano Transcriptions for two hands
Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 8:25 am
by Mercuzio
Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen No. 2 (Gustav Mahler)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsWhmvP4-VYLieder eines fahrenden Gesellen No. 2 (Gustav Mahler).pdf
Again, as before, alone (P. I. Tchaikovsky)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNaHAH26CKkAgain, as before, alone (P. I. Tchaikovsky).pdf
Re: Piano Transcriptions for two hands
Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 9:13 am
by Timtin
Excellent work again Mercuzio, thank you!