School of Syncopation - Jazz, Stride, Novelties & the Like

[tobyjj]

Hello,

HHH, Yes "segno" is definitely getting closer in terms of the word to describe the symbol. The Oxford Companion to music (Scholes) 10th edition has a Table 20 - the segno (Italian = sign) is depicted as a sort of crossed out 8 (or S in inverted commas) - I can't reproduce it here. Al Segno - "To The sign", meaning go to the mark (crossed out S / 8). But apparently it may mean different things. The segno here obviously became the 'conventional' sign. In complicated music of repeated passages, for the purpose of saving ink, paper and typesetting or engraving costs, there were sometimes more thsan one "segno" in use. (I mean distinct symbols as opposed to "segno 1 & segno 2".

The sign or mark therefore could, (as I surmised) really be any squiggle one chooses, and maybe once depended entirely on a publisher's whim, but as Livefor Piano has pointed out the modern convention is the dotted bar. Even if the crossed out S / 8 is used and is called "segno" by typesetters, the one on pages 6 & 8 must surely have been distinguished by typesetters as something other than just "segno" - e.g. double segno, super segno. extra curly segno or whatever (and whatever the german equivalent may have been!).

I don't know why this piques my interest or bothers me so much ! In terms of function it is clearly only a repeat, and maybe merely whimsically designated by this particular publisher as the in-house "segno", even if not conventional. The fact that it wasn't conventional, prompted me to ask the original question and wonder whether it had any additional function and, (for esoterically trivial reasons), any additional or differing function to the conventional "segno" and especially whether that particular symbol / segno had an individual name.

Groves doesn't illustrate any repeat signs, but does state that the use of the repeat sign was inconsistent both in publishing and performance.

I'm still looking for my musical notation encyclopaedia - maybe that can provide further enlightenment.

What started as a casual aside is proving to be quite interesting.

Will keep looking and report any discoveries!

Thanks for the input.

Regards,
tobyjj

[tobyjj]

Hello All,

I almost forgot -

here is tonight's Zum 5 Uhr. - Band 11

Interesting that here on page 7, 3rd line we see the conventional "segno" - or a version of it that I'm more familiar with, (though it looks a little different to Oxford CtoM's version, but since that is in small print it could just be my eyes, I suppose!). This reinforces my curiosity as to whether the one previously referred to (Vol 10 pp.6 & 8) have a different meaning / function. I'm assuming it's the same publisher.

Anyway ...

Zum 5 Uhr Tee - Band 11 -.pdf

tobyjj

[tobyjj]

Hello All,

Hmm - but page 11 of the last pdf shows that damned weird symbol again!

tobyjj

[tobyjj]

Hello All,

Zum 5 Uhr - Band Band 14

Zum 5 Uhr Tee - Band 14 -.pdf

regards,

tobyjj

[tobyjj]

Hello All,

- Zum Uhr - Band 15

Zum 5 Uhr Tee - Band 15 -.pdf

regards,
tobyjj

[tobyjj]

Hello All,

My encyclopaedia of musical Notation did not assist at all with finding a name for the curly-wurly 'segno' - but hey! look at this piece of music for clarinet - here we have both the traditional (modern) segno and the curly-wurly one And codas and text directions.

What I wonder did publishers call the curly one? - and is there a third version they keep in reserve for pieces that might require it?

Wild Cat.pdf

Regards,

tobyjj

[tobyjj]

Hello All,

Another Zum 5 Uhr for you all

Zum 5 Uhr Tee - Band 19 -.pdf

regards,
tobyjj

[tobyjj]

Hello All,

Hmm... I seem to have this forum all to myself ...

Another Tanztee ...

5 Uhr TanzTee - Band 20 -.pdf

Incidentally, this file is correctly named - the previous 3 or 4 may not be. Zum 5 Uhr.. and 5 Uhr TanzTee are different publications I think.

regards,
tobyjj

[tobyjj]

Hello All,

Is there anyone here?

Another 5 Uhr

5 Uhr TanzTee - Band 21 -.pdf

regards,
tobyjj

[tobyjj]

Hello everyone,

Another 5 Uhr

5 Uhr TanzTee - Band 28 -.pdf

Regards,
tobyjj