Iberia: Piano Music from Spain & Portugal

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PhilM93 wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 8:39 am Josep Marti i Cristià
Catalan composer who lived from 1884 until 1918.
Took lessons from Granados and Pedrell.
I'm looking for more works by him, if somebody has something.
Have fun :)[attachment=6]Recordances de Joventut • per a Piano.pdf[/attachment
A couple of popular dance pieces on Musescore too: Foxtrot and Dancing Ducks
https://musescore.com/artist/josep_mart ... tia-547975

There's also a recording on Wallisch's great series of 20th Century Foxtrots of a ragime piece "The Joyous American", https://mdc.csuc.cat/digital/collection ... 101/rec/97
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bingo wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 11:59 am
PhilM93 wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 8:39 am Josep Marti i Cristià

There's also a recording on Wallisch's great series of 20 Century Foxtrots of a ragime piece "The Joyous American", https://mdc.csuc.cat/digital/collection ... 101/rec/97
I'v looked at both manuscripts of The Joyous American - incidentally for piano, violin and cello - and made this piano solo version, which seems pretty close to the version Wallisch recorded, ignoring the string parts.
MARTI I CRISTIA The Joyous American, ragtime.pdf
listen: https://musescore.com/user/4151271/scores/25713820
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Chulon (chubby?) also required looking at the original manuscript and a copyist version.
MARTI I CRISTIA Chulon, schotics para piano.pdf
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@anaispiaf Sorry I accidentally overwrote your post when replying. Thanks for comments - suggest editing the musescore file. Which version of the original are you basing your comments on as the two manuscripts ar∈ quite different.
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Re: Iberia: Piano Music from Spain & Portugal

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bingo wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 9:53 pm @anaispiaf Sorry I accidentally overwrote your post when replying. Thanks for comments - suggest editing the musescore file. Which verison of the original are you basing your comments on as the two manuscripts ar∈ quite different.
My earnest pleasure! It's always nice to help each other out! And, as the ancients used to say: Musica magnorum est solamen dulce laborum [of all the great labors, Music is the only sweet one].

To answer your question... It is the transcriber's rightful duty to base his arguments on all available documentary sources: not only piano sources, but (possibly) also orchestral ones. And so I consulted and compared all the three manuscripts of The Joyous American (the string-quartet one included).

If there's any doubt about a note or a chord, it is necessary to resort to musical theory, counterpoint, philological comparison with other works by the same author, patterns recognition, performing practice... and, of course, one's own musical sensitivity. After all, if someone finds a spelling mistake while reading a book, that person doesn't need any great grammatical or literary studies to notice it. Music is itself a language: a language that's all the more comprehensible the more it lodges in the gardens and under the arcades of classical tonality and composition. And, like any language, it has rules. By virtue of these same rules, Gottlieb Wallisch — despite any manuscript discrepancies — did not commit any formal errors, in his own performance.
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Re: Iberia: Piano Music from Spain & Portugal

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bingo wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 4:34 am
bingo wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 11:59 am
PhilM93 wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 8:39 am Josep Marti i Cristià

There's also a recording on Wallisch's great series of 20 Century Foxtrots of a ragime piece "The Joyous American", https://mdc.csuc.cat/digital/collection ... 101/rec/97
I'v looked at both manuscripts of The Joyous American - incidentally for piano, violin and cello - and made this piano solo version, which seems pretty close to the version Wallisch recorded, ignoring the string parts.
MARTI I CRISTIA The Joyous American, ragtime.pdf (corrected)

listen: https://musescore.com/user/4151271/scores/25713820
Thanks a lot Bingo :D
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