Russian & Soviet Composers - Part 3
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Aggelos
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Re: Russian & Soviet Composers - Part 3
I believe that this is a problem that needs to be addressed ASAP, because pianorarescores have found an abundant source of material in this forum just for free.Emil Borisovich Sernov wrote:
and to pianorarescores: stop stealing my uploadings!
It won't be a surprise if they exploit it to the utmost just to make money. Besides, I don't think that they bear any ethical problems to go for an all-out exploitation of the vast material available here.
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caostotale
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Re: Russian & Soviet Composers - Part 3
Eh, I don't really consider it worth the trouble. I want to believe that most musicians aren't gullible enough to buy into that sleaze's scam. People have also put the word out on forums like Pianostreet, etc. that he's selling something that doesn't need to be purchased.Aggelos wrote:I believe that this is a problem that needs to be addressed ASAP, because pianorarescores have found an abundant source of material in this forum just for free.Emil Borisovich Sernov wrote:
and to pianorarescores: stop stealing my uploadings!
It won't be a surprise if they exploit it to the utmost just to make money. Besides, I don't think that they bear any ethical problems to go for an all-out exploitation of the vast material available here.
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Timtin
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Re: Russian & Soviet Composers - Part 3
It seems strange that anyone should pay for any score which is freely available.
However, if it's the case that at least some of the scores in question are 'nms'
uploadings rather than original scans by members here, could it be that the site in
question has obtained them from elsewhere? Just a thought.
Having said that, I do remember registering with one music paysite a few years ago,
whereupon I could have bought some of my own scans back! How annoying was that?!!!
Whilst on the subject of 'nms' uploadings, I wonder if acknowledgement of the source
of such material should perhaps be routinely supplied by members here, as with IMSLP.
However, if it's the case that at least some of the scores in question are 'nms'
uploadings rather than original scans by members here, could it be that the site in
question has obtained them from elsewhere? Just a thought.
Having said that, I do remember registering with one music paysite a few years ago,
whereupon I could have bought some of my own scans back! How annoying was that?!!!
Whilst on the subject of 'nms' uploadings, I wonder if acknowledgement of the source
of such material should perhaps be routinely supplied by members here, as with IMSLP.
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Re: Russian & Soviet Composers - Part 3
This current conversation is a bit off-topic, so when I have some more time I'll hive it off into another thread in a more appropriate area of PP.
Basically, there is nothing we can do to stop anyone offering our free uploads for a fee on another website. Uploading scans here (whether NMS or original) releases them into the public domain. The moral propriety of pianorarescores is another matter. I am investigating means whereby I can identify the source of the scans (i.e. who is downloading them and supplying them to that site) and should I be able to do so (as I expect I will in the fullness of time) then that person can expect harsh treatment from me.
I have recently, in discussion with Malcolm and my fellow admins, changed how guest users (i.e. people who have not yet registered with PP) see the threads with the uploaded files in it. Up to that time, they had been hidden. I suspect this may have been one reason why sites such as the above saw an opportunity to fleece users who didn't know any better. That has now changed. Guest users may read all threads now, but cannot download files. For that they still need to register. This implies that sooner or later, the people who access such sites will realise that PP offers the same files for free, and there will be no need for them to access paid sites any more.
Search engines have been busy indexing PP (i.e. lots of guest users...). Google, Baidu and Bing searches now reference PP threads and people can now find us and the goodies we have to offer much more easily.
Once again, if anyone is paying for rare or out-of-copyright scores that is their stupidity. They are all here, or on IMSLP or elsewhere.
Many scores available on the net were scanned by PP users. Caprotti, Jean-Seb, Thal and others have made great contributions over many years. NMS (meaning Not My Scan) also means IDKWSI (meaning I Don't Know Who Scanned It). As Rob so eloquently wrote in our Welcome to Pianophilia section, we endeavour to rescue composers from oblivion, and due to the tireless work of these people as well as people such as Alfor, Frank, Emil, Tim and many others too numerous to mention (trans: sorry, I don't have time to thank everyone) we largely succeed in that.
Sites such as pianorarescores (and the people who supply and operate them) are beneath contempt.
Regards
Fred
Basically, there is nothing we can do to stop anyone offering our free uploads for a fee on another website. Uploading scans here (whether NMS or original) releases them into the public domain. The moral propriety of pianorarescores is another matter. I am investigating means whereby I can identify the source of the scans (i.e. who is downloading them and supplying them to that site) and should I be able to do so (as I expect I will in the fullness of time) then that person can expect harsh treatment from me.
I have recently, in discussion with Malcolm and my fellow admins, changed how guest users (i.e. people who have not yet registered with PP) see the threads with the uploaded files in it. Up to that time, they had been hidden. I suspect this may have been one reason why sites such as the above saw an opportunity to fleece users who didn't know any better. That has now changed. Guest users may read all threads now, but cannot download files. For that they still need to register. This implies that sooner or later, the people who access such sites will realise that PP offers the same files for free, and there will be no need for them to access paid sites any more.
Search engines have been busy indexing PP (i.e. lots of guest users...). Google, Baidu and Bing searches now reference PP threads and people can now find us and the goodies we have to offer much more easily.
Once again, if anyone is paying for rare or out-of-copyright scores that is their stupidity. They are all here, or on IMSLP or elsewhere.
Many scores available on the net were scanned by PP users. Caprotti, Jean-Seb, Thal and others have made great contributions over many years. NMS (meaning Not My Scan) also means IDKWSI (meaning I Don't Know Who Scanned It). As Rob so eloquently wrote in our Welcome to Pianophilia section, we endeavour to rescue composers from oblivion, and due to the tireless work of these people as well as people such as Alfor, Frank, Emil, Tim and many others too numerous to mention (trans: sorry, I don't have time to thank everyone) we largely succeed in that.
Sites such as pianorarescores (and the people who supply and operate them) are beneath contempt.
Regards
Fred
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Re: Russian & Soviet Composers - Part 3
Fred, thank you for voicing the despicable and contemptible behavior of pianorarescores which we all feel, especially since the massive posts by a select number pianophila members have made this site what it is.