The Music of Ludwig van Beethoven

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And the last bunch:
Beethoven.-.WoO-082.-.Menuet-in-Eb-(pno-rev.-Dukas-1918).pdf
Beethoven.-.WoO-083.-.Six-Ecossaises-(pno-rev.-Dukas-1918).pdf
Beethoven.-.WoO-084.-.Walzer-in-Eb-(pno-rev.-Dukas-1918).pdf
Beethoven.-.WoO-085+081.-.Walzer&Allemande-(pno-rev.-Dukas-1918).pdf
Beethoven.-.WoO-086.-.Ecossaise-in-Eb-(pno-rev.-Dukas-1918).pdf
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Here comes another edition of LvB's opus 13.
It based on the Czerny Edition but was revised by Ferdinand Rahles (?-1878).
Dr. Rahles was a German Capellmeister who lived and worked for some years in Cologne and in Elberfeld. Later he went to London where he worked as musican, conductor and correspondent of the German "Niederrheinische Musik-Zeitung".
Mendelssohn was the godfather of one of his sons.
The edition was published by R. Cocks & Co., London, 1846.
Beethoven.-.op.013.-.Piano-Sonata-No.08-(rev.-Czerny+Rahles-1846).pdf
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A new lost piano sonata Fantasia Sonata in D (deest 45) was premiered today.

According to Dutch musicologist Cees Nieuwenhuizen:
The large, over 1100 bars comprising torso now known as Fantasia Sonata in D from 1792, cannot be called a sketch anymore, although Beethoven has not completed the work and used many ideas in other, later works. The reconstruction of the sketches was done by the Dutch Beethoven musicologist and composer Cees Nieuwenhuizen.
Sleeve notes of the recorded version say [via Slipped Disc]
To make the Fantasia sonata sketch playable I had to make some well-considered decisions. Beethoven has almost completed the first movement, apart from the so-called development. For the rest I had to fill in the phrasing and some dynamics. I did this through a comparison of the sonatas no. 13, 14 and 15 with the Fantasia sonata. Especially the sonata no 15 in D Opus 28, the Pastorale, shows striking similarities with the present Fantasy sonata. The second movement is less elaborated; mainly the left hand was missing now and then. I could however make use of indications given by the composer for the left hand. The third movement was the real challenge because the composer wrote many alternatives and this in a very fragmented way. There are also parts which are completely worked out by the composer, for example the entire Coda. Nevertheless I wanted to apply all notes, and all at the same place where Beethoven has written them. Therefore all the themes in the manuscript are used. It is mainly the left hand that I had to add. Also here I have compared the phrasing with the other sonatas and applied in the style of the young and passionate Beethoven. In this elaborated form, this piece is a fascinating link between the very early works like the Sonatas WoO 47, the Piano concerto in E flat WoO 4 and the first published works from 1795 like the Piano trio’s Opus 1 and the first three Sonatas Opus 2.
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Fascinating! It is wonderful that Nieuwenhuizen has shared the score of his reconstruction for all to play and enjoy! Thank you for sharing, Sgambatiesque.
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sgambatiesque wrote:...As the download link on his site is somewhat slow, I'm adding it here also. There's a 12pp preface which includes fragments of the Autograph, followed by 30pp of score: ...
In general where a file of this sort is made available it is better to post the exact link rather than the file itself. It is always useful for the creator of the file to know how many copies have made it out into the world - by reposting the file Cees Nieuwenhuizen will have no idea of the additional downloads of his new edition.

Fascinating anyway - thank-you.
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rob wrote:
sgambatiesque wrote:...As the download link on his site is somewhat slow, I'm adding it here also. There's a 12pp preface which includes fragments of the Autograph, followed by 30pp of score: ...
In general where a file of this sort is made available it is better to post the exact link rather than the file itself. It is always useful for the creator of the file to know how many copies have made it out into the world - by reposting the file Cees Nieuwenhuizen will have no idea of the additional downloads of his new edition.

Fascinating anyway - thank-you.
His site appears to be getting hammered so I doubt that those few who choose to d/l here rather than the direct link I supplied will make much difference - and he will never know of those who have the file emailed or otherwise redistributed further afield by any downloader.
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sgambatiesque wrote:
rob wrote:
sgambatiesque wrote:...As the download link on his site is somewhat slow, I'm adding it here also. There's a 12pp preface which includes fragments of the Autograph, followed by 30pp of score: ...
In general where a file of this sort is made available it is better to post the exact link rather than the file itself. It is always useful for the creator of the file to know how many copies have made it out into the world - by reposting the file Cees Nieuwenhuizen will have no idea of the additional downloads of his new edition.

Fascinating anyway - thank-you.
His site appears to be getting hammered so I doubt that those few who choose to d/l here rather than the direct link I supplied will make much difference - and he will never know of those who have the file emailed or otherwise redistributed further afield by any downloader.
Indeed. But nevertheless please follow my advice. In this particular case the file is copyright and not distributable unconditionally.
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rob wrote:
sgambatiesque wrote:His site appears to be getting hammered so I doubt that those few who choose to d/l here rather than the direct link I supplied will make much difference - and he will never know of those who have the file emailed or otherwise redistributed further afield by any downloader.
Indeed. But nevertheless please follow my advice. In this particular case the file is copyright and not distributable unconditionally.
I would totally agree with Rob, here. His advice is sound and should be followed as a general principle when files are offered from other websites. You will notice that all our references to Sibley and other libraries include the links rather than the files.

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I requested the Dukas edition of the sonatas from Sibley a while back--it just appeared today:

http://hdl.handle.net/1802/24981
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Thanks Jim for the link.

My personal view on links v. reposts of files easily available elsewhere,
is that the former are far more useful, since not only do the original
sites then know what's being downloaded from their own databases,
but it also gives members here a chance to explore other files available
from those sites. In fact, I can't really see the point in simply renaming
and reposting easily available files from elsewhere, since that has the
effect of turning this site into a mirror site.
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