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Re: Salon music

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:26 am
by Jean-Séb
Thank you, Phillip. In spite of what Wikipedia says, I doubt very much that Leonard Gautier, if he really existed, was French. His first successful works are already mentionned as early as 1884 and his publications are only made through different British editors. It would be very difficult for a young French man to have tha early success in England without being even known in France. I suspect it is a penname and it might actually designate several different anonymous composers, as Augener often did at that time.

Re: Salon music

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 4:39 pm
by Jim Faston
Real or not, here's a scan of his most famous work, Le Secret (Intermezzo Pizzicato N. 276) and a link to a YouTube recording of same.
Gauthier_Le Secret (Intermezzo Pizzicato No.276).pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1u2BIy-FRI

Re: Salon music

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:58 pm
by fleubis
Thanks for this little gem, Jim. I think I'll have some cotton candy to go with it.

Re: Salon music

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:52 am
by Phillip210
Jean-Séb wrote:Thank you, Phillip. In spite of what Wikipedia says, I doubt very much that Leonard Gautier, if he really existed, was French. His first successful works are already mentionned as early as 1884 and his publications are only made through different British editors. It would be very difficult for a young French man to have tha early success in England without being even known in France. I suspect it is a penname and it might actually designate several different anonymous composers, as Augener often did at that time.
That's an interesting point. I would be interested to know of examples of a pseudonym being used by more than one composer. It sounds perfectly possible! I don't think I have so far come accross any.

Re: Salon music

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:13 am
by Timtin
What with composers having several different pseudonyms and even more
than one composer using a common pseudonym, one wonders if Pianophilia
should allow similar practices with its users' names! :-)

Re: Salon music

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:34 am
by HullandHellandHalifax
Timtin wrote:What with composers having several different pseudonyms and even more
than one composer using a common pseudonym, one wonders if Pianophilia
should allow similar practices with its users' names! :-)
Don't worry Timtin, your real pseudonym , alfor, is safe with me I won't tell a soul...whoops I just have!!!
signed anonymously

Re: Salon music

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:42 pm
by Jean-Séb
Phillip210 wrote:
Jean-Séb wrote:Thank you, Phillip. In spite of what Wikipedia says, I doubt very much that Leonard Gautier, if he really existed, was French. His first successful works are already mentionned as early as 1884 and his publications are only made through different British editors. It would be very difficult for a young French man to have tha early success in England without being even known in France. I suspect it is a penname and it might actually designate several different anonymous composers, as Augener often did at that time.
That's an interesting point. I would be interested to know of examples of a pseudonym being used by more than one composer. It sounds perfectly possible! I don't think I have so far come accross any.
I read something like that about Cramer :
See the article in Fetis :
http://www.archive.org/stream/biographi ... 7/mode/1up
and the note in IMSLP :
http://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Cramer,_Henri/Arranger

Re: Salon music

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 9:18 am
by FW190
Waldemar Malmene (1836-1906)
La Zingara Polonaise de Concert
Published by Walter Luhn, St. Louis, 1898.
Malmene,W.-.La-Zingara-Polonnaise-de-Concert-(pno-Luhn-Edition-1898).pdf

Re: Salon music

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 9:40 pm
by Phillip210
Jean-Séb wrote:
Phillip210 wrote:
Jean-Séb wrote:Thank you, Phillip. In spite of what Wikipedia says, I doubt very much that Leonard Gautier, if he really existed, was French. His first successful works are already mentionned as early as 1884 and his publications are only made through different British editors. It would be very difficult for a young French man to have tha early success in England without being even known in France. I suspect it is a penname and it might actually designate several different anonymous composers, as Augener often did at that time.
That's an interesting point. I would be interested to know of examples of a pseudonym being used by more than one composer. It sounds perfectly possible! I don't think I have so far come accross any.
I read something like that about Cramer :
See the article in Fetis :
http://www.archive.org/stream/biographi ... 7/mode/1up
and the note in IMSLP :
http://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Cramer,_Henri/Arranger
Thank you - that's really interesting!

Re: Salon music

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:48 pm
by Jean-Séb