Musical puns, jokes, and teasers

[Timtin]

Well, not sure about anyone else, but I'm completely stuck. More clues please Rob!

[HullandHellandHalifax]

Well, not sure about anyone else, but I'm completely stuck. More clues please Rob!

hehe...the biter bit, congratulations Rob
Brian

[Nogbert]

For number 8 - I believe there's an Austrian composer named Urbanner. I know absolutely nothing about him or his music.

And if Auer for 13 ain't correct, then it must be Hauer.

Jo

[rob]

For number 8 - I believe there's an Austrian composer named Urbanner. I know absolutely nothing about him or his music.

And if Auer for 13 ain't correct, then it must be Hauer.

Jo

Yes - very well done Jo!

Just leaves:
9 Yaaaay! (4)
11 Before the despatcher (6)
14 Black and naked (6)

All Austrian - but 14's name is not Germanic if that helps?

11 is actually very easy - it is given to you within the given word which needs a little trimming. In the English word the CH takes a Berlin pronunciation (I believe). In a warehouse, through whose hands does a package pass before reaching the despatcher?

9 is tricky. Not very well known. Yaaaay! is American. What would the British word be? And how might that be alternatively spelt? This composer's name could be slightly mispronounced to be the British word.

14 is tricky and perhaps shows how my mind does work, when it actually works at all. Black is from one language and naked from another, although mispelt in a third to provide the suffix! For the root, think of the youngest independent country in Europe in that country's own language. I assume this composer's name simply means black in the surname's country of origin. 14 was an extremely studious and prolific composer!

Answers tonight if no-one solves them. Apologies - this is my first ever attempt at this sort of thing.

Rob

[Timtin]

No.11 has to be Pacher.
No.9 might be Yost.
No.14 might be Gruber.

[rob]

No.11 has to be Pacher.
No.9 might be Yost.

Pacher (ie Packer) is correct. Goods are packed before they are despatched.

No. 11, no sorry. Think about it a bit more. An American would shout YAAAAY! A Brit would shout '......' (6) which could almost be the same sound as this composer's name (4).

No. 14. No, not Gruber. Who was the most STUDIOUS of Austrian composers?

[rob]

Last clue - 14's name is Polish I believe. So ask a Polish speaker...

[klavierelch]

The most studiuos (besides Haydn) certainly was Krenek. But I don't know how this matches with your words since the name surely is Czech.

Anyway, your and Tim's riddles are very difficult for non-native speakers, but at least they often tell me about the crude English pronounciation of non-English composers (e.g. the vocal in Fuchs is really pronounced like the "oo" in "look", so it doesn't really sound like copulating; the musicologist von Ficker would certainly have been an alternative here ).

[Timtin]

You're absolutely correct about these puzzles being difficult for members
whose first language isn't English. Further teasers I can think of will
hopefully have this disadvantage designed out.
Meanwhile, the elastic band holding my two brain cells together is
close to snapping as a result of Rob's remaining teasers!

[rob]

Klavierelch you are absolutely right about the crude pronunciation of composers from other lands - but I would say that happens in ALL languages. The most hilarious is usually the way names are transliterated into Cyrillic on Russian websites. It can often take 3 or 4 seconds before I recognise just whose name they are trying to represent.

So final clues:

YAAAY would equal 'Hooray' in English. The Austrian composer's name could be mispronounced in this way.

To solve the last clue think of the newest republic in Europe: Montenegro. Then find the Montenegrin version. The 'black' part of the name is a cognate for the Polish named composer. Think early 19th Century, not Twentieth Century. This should give you the composer's name without the 'naked' suffix (where an understanding of French and German (mis)pronunciations would help).