Alfor's Rarities

[musiclife217]

thanks for reminding me, I will prepare it this weekend

I'm not sure that I should post the Bulow here in Alfor's thread - where should it go?

[promusician]

thanks for reminding me, I will prepare it this weekend

I'm not sure that I should post the Bulow here in Alfor's thread - where should it go?

Pupils of Liszt thread

[musiclife217]

okay here it comes ...

[Timtin]

Tonight I would like to draw your attention to an excellent
series of modern Urtext editions:

BÄRENREITER URTEXT
(Brahms, Mendelssohn, Janacek, Schumann, Scriabin Sonatas, a.o.)

As an example I post Brahms' op. 119 (with the approval of Sir Malcolm Henbury-Ballan).

No disrespect, but I can't help wondering if this file doesn't also require the approval of the publisher.
(I deleted my own download of it to be on the safe side.)

https://www.baerenreiter.com/en/service ... ing-music/

[alfor]

Tonight I would like to draw your attention to an excellent
series of modern Urtext editions:

BÄRENREITER URTEXT
(Brahms, Mendelssohn, Janacek, Schumann, Scriabin Sonatas, a.o.)

As an example I post Brahms' op. 119 (with the approval of Sir Malcolm Henbury-Ballan).

No disrespect, but I can't help wondering if this file doesn't also require the approval of the publisher.
(I deleted my own download of it to be on the safe side.)

https://www.baerenreiter.com/en/service ... ing-music/

You may be quite right - especially because this has been published quite recently - , but we agreed that
I shall leave the decision to Malcolm, whom you may contact in this matter.
If he will decide to delete the post it is quite ok for me, because this post has the only purpose to draw our attention to the fact that these excellent printed editions do exist and are available worldwide; and - as I said before - we should IMHO "encourage publishers to publish", which they will only do when there is a chance to earn money.

[mballan]

I agreed with Alfred that he could post the odd example to encourgae members to seek out the fuller urtext editions. As mentioned previously there is a 25 year copyright ruling on urtext editions and as such keen for us to keep within the bounds of the law. These work are available for very reasonable prices and easily obtainable through the internet.

Malcolm

[tobyjj]

Hello,

this is really getting quite silly ....

Alfor has ben the most outstanding contributor enlightening me, (ignorant and foolish though I may be), to works I would never have heard of and still can't pronounce -- and most of which I don't aspire to play. The recent "stricture" on copyright issues and "web availability" has imposed an impossible burden on most would-be contributors. Somewhere on the threads I have commented previously - I don't wish to be controversial or create argument, but I will repeat my main point. (As follows)

I do not have time to trawl through countless websites which may or may not offer good sheet music - I do not have time to translate or fail to translate countless worthless downloads to find one good one that someone like Alfor has already sampled, tasted, tested and approved. If a friend of mine who knows my culinary tastes recommends a certain restaurant to me I will trust him and go there if I have time... if he brings me a 'doggy bag' to encourage me, I will gratefully receive it - if the (lack of) wheelchair ramps prevent me from going to that restaurant anyway, I will ask Alfor to drop me off his choice of 'doggy bags' every time he's passing.

Everyone may have noticed that the syncopated thread has died! There must be countless websites where one "may" be able to find some obscure (and not necessarily good) version of a relevant composition - but I am not going to do a "due diligence search" to find that obscure website before posting to pianophilia if I also happen to have a personal copy. When I do find something obscure I don't see why I should bot post it up to PP - since presumably other members have the same difficulty (and may have failed) in finding the same obscure piece.

I have no problem with giving source references and credits, (though in the collection over the years of numerous pieces, I doubt I could give accurate attributions now to many), but suppressing the free and enthusiastic dissemination of music which is certainly not mainstream or educationally approved, is to be (imho) deprecated. The contrary should be encouraged.

Perhaps the problem could be overcome with a complete new set of acronyms.
We already have NMOS = Not my own scan
TTOS = Thanks to original scanner

Now perhaps:-
IDOTS = I Do Own This Sheet / Score
IDIOTS = I Do (Innocently / Illegally / Incidentally) Own This Sheet / Score
BIMBAE = But It May Be Available Elsewhere
BIMBO = But It May Be Otiose
CSUFN / BIDC = Copyright Status Unknown for Now .... And ..

... this could get worse... TimTim please don't try and annagramatise the acronyms!

Retournez aux nous moutons! ---- Alfor, Please do not be discouraged! Please continue posting - I think I understand you (a little).

Best Wishes,
tobyjj

[tobyjj]

Hello,
....
I do not have time ...
tobyjj

Actually - in addition to not having time, I should probably say that also I do not have the ability, to translate, analyse etc ... - and I should also say that when it comes to musical recommendations I am one of those people who looks to others for well-informed recommendations upon which to build and learn.

regards,
tobjj

[alfor]

One of my absolute fovourites among Brahms' piano works:

Sonata op. 2, revised by Eduard Steuermann
(Schönberg's favourite pianist).
For whatever reasons UE has replaced most of the
Steuermann revisions by that of a certain Willy Klasen
...keeping the order numbers!!! (Resp. more recently
by the "Wiener Urtext" editions.)

IDOTS:

Brahms Sonata op.2 ed. Steuermann.pdf

[alfor]

Brahms edited by U.S. pianist and composer
Arthur Whiting (1861-1936), who probably
invented the very special way of pedal notation,
applied in his editions.

Brahms Sonata op.2 ed. Whiting.pdf