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Re: Cadenzas

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:17 pm
by rob
Timtin wrote:
rob wrote: Perhaps some kind person would create a fresh contents list that is accurate according to our modern day numbering & Koechel catalogue reference?
Leave it to me - I'll produce one in the next day or two.
Thanks Tim

There are copies of that file circulating that have both missing pages and duplicate pages, which is why I took the trouble to check it fairly carefully, though more eyes checking it over won't come amiss. I now prefer to keep files like this in one piece since larger files are easier to maintain (virus scans and backups) than the equivalent data in smaller constituent files.

Re: Cadenzas

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:06 pm
by Caprotti
The Reinecke Mozart included in the BH album are only the following within his op.87:

87/1 K.467
87/2 K.537
87/5 K.503
87/11 K.488
87/12,13 K.365
87/14,15 K.595
87/16,17 K.466

According to the Pazdirek entry for Reinecke there are also

87/18,19 K.450
87/20 K.491
87/21 K.37
87/22 K.39
87/23 K.40
87/24 K.415
87/26,27 K.41
87/28,29,30 K.175
87/31,32,33 K.238
87/34,35 K.246
87/36,37 K.271
87/38,39 K.413
87/40 Rondò K.386
87/41,42 K.482 (the first one has been posted an hour ago)


SO WE MISS A LOT OF REINECKE CADENZAS AND WE DIDN'T KNOW !!!!!

And those are NOT included in the 2H arrangements of those concertos published by Reinecke fro Breitkopf

The hunting is officialy open !

Re: Cadenzas

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:36 pm
by Caprotti
I could just identify the following matches between missing Reinecke/Mozart cadenzas and libraries where the scores can be found. hope some german memeber will help ...

87/18,19 K.450 bayern bibl.
87/20 K.491 berlin humboldt
87/21 K.37
87/22 K.39
87/23 K.40
87/24 K.415 berlin humboldt bayern bibl.
87/26,27 K.41
87/28,29,30 K.175
87/31,32,33 K.238
87/34,35 K.246
87/36,37 K.271 bayern bibl.
87/38,39 K.413 bayern bibl.
87/40 Rondò K.386 berlin humboldt
87/41,42 K.482 (the first one has been posted an hour ago) the other at berlin humboldt


zum Rondo K.382 bayern bibl.
zum K.459 bayern bibl.

Re: Cadenzas

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:44 pm
by Timtin
rob wrote: Perhaps some kind person would create a fresh contents list that is accurate according to our modern day numbering & Koechel catalogue reference?
Hopefully, this will fit the bill.
Inhalt zu 53 Cadenzen zu Pianoforte-Concerten von Bach, Mozart, Beethoven und Weber.pdf

Re: Cadenzas

Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:59 am
by rob
Timtin wrote:
rob wrote: Perhaps some kind person would create a fresh contents list that is accurate according to our modern day numbering & Koechel catalogue reference?
Hopefully, this will fit the bill.
Tim this is no less than utterly brilliant!!! Thank you VERY much!

Re: Cadenzas

Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:44 pm
by Caprotti
This frontispice
Mozart - Piano Concertos (frontispice BH with cadenzas).pdf
clearly remarks the existence of Reinecke's other cadenzas; they still remain very difficult to find even because R. evidently didn't want to add his cadenzas to his edition of Mozart piano concertos made for Breitkopf.
Probably he assumed to sell those better as separate sheets of music !!!!

Re: Cadenzas

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:49 am
by arglmann
Hello everyone,
I heard of Robert Casadesus playing a cadenza to Mozarts Concerto Nr. 24, KV 491, and found out it's probably been written by Camille Saint-Saens. As I've never seen this cadenza before and would like to surprise a friend who is an amateur organist - could anyone help me with this?

Thanks in advance,
Arglmann

Re: Cadenzas

Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 2:45 am
by minacciosa
Anyone seen or have York Bowen's cadenza for Beethoven 4?

Re: Cadenzas

Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 4:01 am
by ilu

Re: Cadenzas

Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 8:03 pm
by quercus
Didn't realize till now that there was a cadenzas thread. Here are the Glenn Gould cadenzas to Beethoven's concerto #1 in C.

Bill
Beethoven-Gould Cadenzas to Concerto in C, op15.pdf