Pieces that SHOULD have been written...

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Re: Pieces that SHOULD have been written...

Post by lutoslawski » Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:42 pm

After i misunderstood the title , here goes my list.
But, somebody mentioned chopin violin sonata? -- Are you kidding me?

Brahms - Cello concerto
Rachmaninov - String quartet or Piano Quartet
Scriabin - Violin Concerto or Piano concerto in his Late style

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Post by rob » Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:18 pm

lutoslawski wrote:After i misunderstood the title , here goes my list.
But, somebody mentioned chopin violin sonata? -- Are you kidding me?

Brahms - Cello concerto
Rachmaninov - String quartet or Piano Quartet
Scriabin - Violin Concerto or Piano concerto in his Late style
There ARE two unfinished Rachmaninov String Quartets: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... ff#Chamber

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Re: Pieces that SHOULD have been written...

Post by scanaholic » Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:35 pm

Franck: Piano Sonata (in the style of the Violin Sonata)
Richard Wagner: a real symphony (not his early 2 efforts)
Verdi: A regular mass
Faure: Piano Sonata
Elgar: Requiem
Sibelius: Cello or Viola Concerto
Schonberg: All those late Romantic symphonies that he should have written before Pierrot Lunaire

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Post by scanaholic » Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:36 pm

And I forgot:
Sorabji: Sonatina for the young

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Re: Pieces that SHOULD have been written...

Post by rob » Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:09 pm

scanaholic wrote:Franck: Piano Sonata (in the style of the Violin Sonata)
Richard Wagner: a real symphony (not his early 2 efforts)
Verdi: A regular mass
Faure: Piano Sonata
Elgar: Requiem
Sibelius: Cello or Viola Concerto
Schonberg: All those late Romantic symphonies that he should have written before Pierrot Lunaire
I like this list! But:

Franck: We have the Cortot arrangement of the Violin Sonata masquerading as a fine Piano Sonata. Does anyone here play it?

A Wagner Symphony? Marius Constant created a symphony from Debussy's Pelleas et Melisande. It strikes me as perfectly possible for someone to do the same with Tristan & Isolde. I wonder if anyone already has?

A Verdi Mass? Hmmmm... It would always have been very theatrical. I've done his Requiem three or four times and it is always a joy to sing (apart from a couple of odd phrases in the fugue.)

A Faure Piano Sonata? I think it might be possible to put together a group of his pieces in the guise of a sonata. It would have to include the incredible Thirteenth Nocturne - perhaps my favourite Faure work.

An Elgar Requiem? Well actually, there is one. He just didn't call it that: From Wikipedia:
The Spirit of England, for soprano and contralto or tenor soloists, chorus and orchestra, Op. 80 (1915–1917)
1. The Fourth of August (1917); 2. To Women (1915); 3. For the Fallen (1915)
I had the great pleasure of singing this four or five years ago. The finale always made tears stream down my cheeks...

A Sibelius Cello Concerto? The opening of the Fourth Symphony always sounds like the material wanted to be a cello concerto, but ultimately expanded to be very much more. There are of course a couple of slight pieces for Cello that Sibelius orchestrated. I think his Violin Concerto to be one of the finest ever written (alongside the Walton, Elgar, Mendelssohn and Beethoven), so a Viola Concerto or Cello Concerto would have been magnificent.

The Schoenberg Symphonies? If only. Still we have his Pellease & Melisande. The Second Chamber Symphony is a good piece and not (to me at least) as fierce as the First.

Nice list.

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Post by Arjuna » Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:52 pm

lutoslawski wrote: Scriabin - Violin Concerto or Piano concerto in his Late style
"Prometheus, The Poem of Fire" is almost a piano concerto in his late style.

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Post by fredbucket » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:54 am

1) Schubert PIano Concerto (and I'm discounting Liszt's arrangement of the Wanderer Fantasy).
2) Flanders and Swann - Rondo Alla Turca the way it should (!) have been.

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Post by Timtin » Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:09 pm

fredbucket wrote:1) Schubert Piano Concerto (and I'm discounting Liszt's arrangement of the Wanderer Fantasy).

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I'd like to refer the honourable gentleman to the list given on June 3rd.:-

Brahms's Clarinet Concerto, Cello Concerto, and Symphonic Variations.
Haydn's 2 Piano Quartets and 6 String Quintets.
Mozart's Concerto for Piano and Violin.
Schubert's Violin Concerto and Piano Concerto.
Spohr's Piano Concerto and Concerto for Flute, Harp, and Violin.
Tchaikovsky's Piano Quartet, Piano Quintet, and String Quintet.

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Re: Pieces that SHOULD have been written...

Post by fredbucket » Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:50 pm

Timtin wrote:I'd like to refer the honourable gentleman to the list given on June 3rd.:-
True, but I'm referring to a different piano concerto...

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Post by Op. XXXIX » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:41 pm

Interesting thread. The Sibelius 8th is certainly a mouth-watering mystery. Received wisdom tells us it was written but destroyed. However i recall reading once that in conversation with Thomas Beecham, Sibelius said simply 'There is no 8th'. (Meaning he never bothered to write it?) I have a friend in Helsinki, and I once asked him what people thought about that in Finland. He said no one really has a clue.

Bruckner wrote some rather undistinguished organ music as a young man. Wonder what he would have given us had he returned to writing for the instrument later in life?

A shame Elgar never set the Anglican canticles. From all I've read about Elgar -which is a fair amount- there's no indication he even considered it.

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