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Re: Cadenzas #

Post by Timtin » Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:03 pm

shalvats wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:32 pm
Timtin wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:23 am
I certainly wouldn't disagree with that! They all seem very impressive,
and yet invariably take second place to those by more venerable composers.
K466 is a good example, where Beethoven's seem to dominate the landscape.
Btw, nobody either here or on IMSLP spotted my boo-boo with K37!
It was file-named and uploaded under the label of 1st. Movt. cadenza.
WRONG! It's the 3rd. Movt. cadenza. :oops:
Here's a re-upload of that file with its file-name corrected.
Reinecke Cadenza to Mozart's Piano Concerto K37 3rd. Movt. Op87 No21.pdf
I found your uploads on IMSLP, did you have the whole set of them? pleas if it is so, scan them too :P

Thank you shalvats for your recent enquiry.

To be honest, I've rather lost track of which Mozart/Reinecke cadenzas
are already in circulation. So here is the index to my 2 volumes. They
also include cadenzas by Mozart himself, Hummel and Beethoven.

Please indicate which additional ones are of interest (if any) by
inspecting the index, and I'm make them available asap.
Mozart Cadenzas Inhalt.pdf
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Re: Cadenzas #

Post by shalvats » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:15 am

Timtin wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:03 pm
shalvats wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:32 pm
Timtin wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:23 am
I certainly wouldn't disagree with that! They all seem very impressive,
and yet invariably take second place to those by more venerable composers.
K466 is a good example, where Beethoven's seem to dominate the landscape.
Btw, nobody either here or on IMSLP spotted my boo-boo with K37!
It was file-named and uploaded under the label of 1st. Movt. cadenza.
WRONG! It's the 3rd. Movt. cadenza. :oops:
Here's a re-upload of that file with its file-name corrected.
Reinecke Cadenza to Mozart's Piano Concerto K37 3rd. Movt. Op87 No21.pdf
I found your uploads on IMSLP, did you have the whole set of them? pleas if it is so, scan them too :P

Thank you shalvats for your recent enquiry.

To be honest, I've rather lost track of which Mozart/Reinecke cadenzas
are already in circulation. So here is the index to my 2 volumes. They
also include cadenzas by Mozart himself, Hummel and Beethoven.

Please indicate which additional ones are of interest (if any) by
inspecting the index, and I'm make them available asap.
Mozart Cadenzas Inhalt.pdf
maybe Reinecke's cadencas are not playable now, but nevertheless they are very interesting even today. cadenzas by Mozart, Hummel and Beethoven you can find everywhere, but not Reinecke's ones, some of them you can meet in soviet editions also - not best ones. you did a great job and if you continue to scan them, it would be a true gift to people like me.

in his recording of Mozart d minor concerto Wruno Walter plays Reineckes cadenzas, I am looking for it ! also from this index I made a list of ones you did't scan, which contains only Reinecke's ones and are omitted others :)))

Vol.1, pp 18-22 Reinecke
Vol.1, pp 28-30 Reinecke
Vol.1, pp 50-53 Reinecke
Vol.1, pp 60-61 Reinecke

Vol.2, pp 7-15 Reinecke
Vol.2, pp 32-46 Reinecke
Vol.2, pp 54-57 Reinecke
Vol.2, pp 61-69 Reinecke

P.S. in this index is omitted cadenza for E♭ major Concerto K.482, I find it in different edition, but I am not sure of its authenticity

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Re: Cadenzas

Post by Timtin » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:07 pm

Thank you shalvats for checking them. I'll scan the ones you've indicated
in the next few days.

Btw, the Reinecke website listing of his Op87 doesn't seem to be entirely
accurate.

http://www.carl-reinecke.de/opus/opus81-90.html

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Re: Cadenzas

Post by Timtin » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:49 pm

Here are most of the missing cadenzas. The file-naming format
is somewhat abbreviated compared with my previous scans.

As a Mozart fanatic, it pains me to say anything nice about Beethoven,
but his cadenzas to K466 are probably superior to Reinecke's.
Reinecke Cadenza to Mozart K503(1) Op87 No5.pdf
Reinecke Cadenza to Mozart K491(1) Op87 No20.pdf
Reinecke Cadenza to Mozart K467(3) Op87 No1b.pdf
Reinecke Cadenza to Mozart K467(1) Op87 No1a.pdf
Reinecke Cadenza to Mozart K466(3) Op87 No17.pdf
Reinecke Cadenza to Mozart K466(1) Op87 No16.pdf
Reinecke Cadenza to Mozart K413(2) Op87 No39.pdf
Reinecke Cadenza to Mozart K413(1) Op87 No38.pdf
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Re: Cadenzas

Post by shalvats » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:21 pm

thank you :D

IMHO Beethoven made best type ever of cadenzas.

If you are interested, I can send you Mozart cadenzas by Edwin Fischer, also I have to buy in Amsterdam cadenzas of Marius Flothuis, my friend sent me pictures of the covers to assure that they really exist :D Annie Fischer plays them in Concerto no 22 with Klemperer (later she used Hummel's cadencas)

later will order cadenzas of Denis Matthews - also limited edition by Lengnick. Myra Hess played them

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Re: Cadenzas

Post by Timtin » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:44 pm

Yes please - any cadenzas to Mozart PCs not already in circulation
are most welcome, copyright issues notwithstanding.

Curiously, Reinecke's Op87 No1 includes cadenzas for both the 1st
and 3rd movements of K467, the latter being entitled as if intended
for the 2nd movement!

I'll scan the remaining Reinecke cadenzas in the next day or two.

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Re: Cadenzas

Post by Timtin » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:21 am

Here is Op87 No1 without the split.
Reinecke Cadenzas to Mozart K467(1&3) Op87 No1.pdf
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Re: Cadenzas

Post by shalvats » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:02 pm

Timtin wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:44 pm
Yes please - any cadenzas to Mozart PCs not already in circulation
are most welcome, copyright issues notwithstanding.

Curiously, Reinecke's Op87 No1 includes cadenzas for both the 1st
and 3rd movements of K467, the latter being entitled as if intended
for the 2nd movement!

I'll scan the remaining Reinecke cadenzas in the next day or two.
Yes, I noticed it. :P

I want but do not know how to attach pdf files of promised cadenzas. hope will do it soon

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Re: Cadenzas

Post by Timtin » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:28 am

Hi shalvats,

If you wish to upload an attachment, click on the 'Attachments' tab
at the bottom of the screen. Then click on the 'Add files' button.
Then find the pdf you wish to upload from your pc and click 'Open'.
When the status indicator shows a green tick on the right of the screen,
click 'Place inline' and finally click 'Submit'. (Placing inline positions the
filename at the end of the text and makes it findable when using the
'Search' button. The Search function is incredibly useful.)

If you are unhappy with the submission for any reason, either edit it
or just delete your message before anyone has replied and start again.
I do this frequently!

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Re: Cadenzas

Post by shalvats » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:45 am

did it :P
Edwin Fischer's Cadenza for the Mozart Piano Concerto 26.pdf
Edwin Fischer's Cadenza for the Mozart Piano Concerto 25.pdf
Edwin Fischer's Cadenza for the Mozart Piano Concerto 24.pdf
Edwin Fischer's Cadenza for the Mozart Piano Concerto 22.pdf
Edwin Fischer's Cadenza for the Mozart Piano Concerto 20.pdf
Edwin Fischer's Cadenza for the Mozart Piano Concerto 17.pdf
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