Bach - Hyphenated

[yschong]

one more request of Goedicke arrangment of Bach's Fugue in c minor BWV 575 ..

Hope that someone can put that up as well ...

Thanks very much

[oren segev]

one more request of Goedicke arrangment of Bach's Fugue in c minor BWV 575 ..

Hope that someone can put that up as well ...

Thanks very much

I hope thats the one
Oren

Goedicke - Bach's Fugue in C minor.pdf

[parag]

Does anyone have any of the transcriptions of the Cantata from JS Bach Sonatina BWV 106?

Attached is a snippet from the OT.

Thanks,
Parag

[yschong]

I hope thats the one
Oren

Thanks Oren

btw. The correct bwv number of the fugue should be 574 .

One other question about this Fugue:

Most of you might know that this fugue is an arranged by Bach , from a composition ( chamber work ? ) of Govanni Legrenzi .

The last 14 bars ( the toccata - like passage ) of this fugue , a which was probably added by the by Bach himself ? . Barenreiter refer this extra passage ( consider later version ) as bwv. 574b. Does anyone think that passage should be played before the fugue ? ( even though, many clips on youtube ( those original versions for organ ) are all having the " toccata like passage " peformed after the fugue .

[Mouchette]

Why do you want to play it before? It's a sort of cadenza... Would you play a cadenza before the concerto, to introduce it?
M.

[Imhotep]

The Bach-Goedicke transcriptions are my favourite ones. The following link refrers to an article containing further details about the Legrenzi Fugue

http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Lib/Legrenzi-Giovanni.htm

Greetings Imhotep

[HullandHellandHalifax]

Why do you want to play it before? It's a sort of cadenza... Would you play a cadenza before the concerto, to introduce it?
M.

Interesting thought Mouchette, given that we know every pianist in the 19th century introduced each new piece in a concert where he was a participant with a prelude usually improvised, thats how the Chopin Preludes and preludes in all keys by other composers came into existence, for those who didn't dare to.
In this case I would think it unlikely, however it may be a possibility to open and close the fugue with the toccata-like section as the prelude before the fugue was just that, a sort of improvisation to introduce the fugue and certainly with Bach a number of preludes and fugues are not related but stuck together (I don't mean the 48, thats different).
It would be interesting to play the fugue without the prelude and attach the toccata bit before and after.
regards
Brian

[yschong]

Why do you want to play it before? It's a sort of cadenza...
M.

The reasons are :


It is very unusual to introduce a cadenza after the big Perfect authentic cadence ( PAC )of home key ( c minor ) at bar 104 ( bwv 547 ) .

For other pieces( Bach ) that I know , it is possible to have a cadenza after the Fugue , but I don't know if any bach's fugal piece would introduce a cadenza after PAC of home key

Those examples are:

Toccata and fugue in d , bwv. 565 : .. " the cadenza( marked as recitativo ) starts at bar 127, .. but the use of cadence before the cadenza there is deceptive cadence ( v to VI ) .

http://imslp.org/wiki/Toccatas_for_Orga ... bastian%29

Capriccio in E BWV 993 : At the end of the piece, the cadenza starts at 120. Before that , the chord progression ends with iv to V4/2 .

http://imslp.org/wiki/Variations_and_mi ... bastian%29

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According to the score for organ ( barenreiter edition ) between bar 104 and 105 , there is a double bar line . Also the restate of the time signature of 4/4time at beginning of 105. I also look at the other online copy at Imslp , it also indicate the same thing . ( though at the Goedicke transcription score, this time signature is missing . )

http://imslp.org/wiki/Fugues_for_Organ, ... bastian%29

[yschong]

The Bach-Goedicke transcriptions are my favourite ones. The following link refrers to an article containing further details about the Legrenzi Fugue

http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Lib/Legrenzi-Giovanni.htm

Greetings Imhotep

Thanks very much

[Mouchette]

Why do you want to play it before? It's a sort of cadenza...
M.

The reasons are :


It is very unusual to introduce a cadenza after the big Perfect authentic cadence ( PAC )of home key ( c minor ) at bar 104 ( bwv 547 ) .

For other pieces( Bach ) that I know , it is possible to have a cadenza after the Fugue , but I don't know if any bach's fugal piece would introduce a cadenza after PAC of home key

Those examples are:

Toccata and fugue in d , bwv. 565 : .. " the cadenza( marked as recitativo ) starts at bar 127, .. but the use of cadence before the cadenza there is deceptive cadence ( v to VI ) .

http://imslp.org/wiki/Toccatas_for_Orga ... bastian%29

Capriccio in E BWV 993 : At the end of the piece, the cadenza starts at 120. Before that , the chord progression ends with iv to V4/2 .

http://imslp.org/wiki/Variations_and_mi ... bastian%29

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According to the score for organ ( barenreiter edition ) between bar 104 and 105 , there is a double bar line . Also the restate of the time signature of 4/4time at beginning of 105. I also look at the other online copy at Imslp , it also indicate the same thing . ( though at the Goedicke transcription score, this time signature is missing . )

http://imslp.org/wiki/Fugues_for_Organ, ... bastian%29

Yes, you're right, it's unusual (but before Beethoven, it was unusual to end a symphony with a choral movement).
It would be more unusual to begin a piece with a cadenza.
(Anyway, since this toccata-like cadenza has no link with the fugue, you can cut it... The double barline shows that this part has been added afterwards.)
BUT you can also think that it's an alternative ending. So you cut the last bar of the fugue, except the very first note (which takes its place at the first beat of the "cadenza", and gives you the V chord you want), and play the ending toccata. I just tried it: it works perfectly. Am I clear?
M.