Frédéric Chopin

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Re: Frédéric Chopin

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kroket wrote: Here are the pages about the other works you mentioned.
Chopin KKanhIa1,2 KK.Ve3 Kobylanska.pdf
Greetings, kroket
Thank you so much for the scans and information! :D If you find anything else do not hesitate to post, I'm sure there are a lot of hidden gems in there. Also it would be great if somebody who spoke German could translate these.
alfor wrote: P.S. I just bought a used copy of the book in question - which is out-of-print.
Which book If I may ask? :) Sorry for the late responses, I've been busy
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genosen wrote:
alfor wrote: P.S. I just bought a used copy of the book in question - which is out-of-print.
Which book If I may ask? :) Sorry for the late responses, I've been busy
Kobylanska's „Chopin in der Heimat“.
A large oversized volume with a lot of facsimiles of old pictures, manuscripts and newspaper
articles - unfortunately no further Chopin manuscript of interest.
Most of the material is provided with short comments in German, but all longer
material like newspaper articles in polish has not been translated!
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Re: Frédéric Chopin

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Sorry for the hiatus. I finally got around to looking into the scanned images provided by Kroket and I found some interesting information. Bear in mind, I used Google Translate to roughly translate the scans from German to English so the translation is not perfect. If anyone speaks german, help would be appreciated!

Ecossaise in E-flat Major:
Excerpt from the scans: "Ich hatte auch einige Ecossaisen, von denen eine so anfing: Turczynowicz (siehe Lit.) hält es zwar für möglich, daß es sich hier um den Anfang der 2. op72 handelt, es ist aber wahrscheinlicher, daß Kolberg den Anfang einer unveröffentlichten, verlorengegangenen Ecossaise mitteilen wollte"

Rough translation: "'I also had some Ecossaises, of which started as so:' (Refer to incipit). Turczynowicz acknowledges that it is possible that we are dealing the beginning of the 2nd Op 72 No. 3 Ecossaise, but it is more likely that Kolberg wanted to inform the beginning of an unpublished, lost Ecossaise."

The document seems to imply that the Ecossaise is a transcription from memory, and that it is perhaps a misinterpretation of the Ecossaise Op. 72-3 No. 2 as it bears some resemblance to it. If it is a different, lost Ecossaise, and it is a transcription from memory, it is possible this piece was never written down by Chopin.

Mazurka in B-flat Minor KK. Ia/8:
Excerpt from the scans: "Zwei zwölfzeilige Blätter im Album von Walerian Stopnicki, dessen Inhalt in der Zeit zwischen 1867-93 gesammelt wurde. Heute Eigentum von Jan Tomasz Stopnicki"

Rough translation: "Two twelve-line music in the album of Walerian Stop Nicki whose contents were collected in the period between 1867-93 . Today property of Jan Tomasz Stopnicki"

I googled the name and found a phone number for a person by this name on the Norwegian Yellow Pages at the url: http://www.gulesider.no/person/resultat ... +Stopnicki. I know there are a lot of devoted musical enthusiasts here who locate, and scan rare pieces of music. It would be great if someone could help look into this and possibly contact Mr. Stopnicki!
alfor wrote:unfortunately no further Chopin manuscript of interest. Most of the material is provided with short comments in German, but all longer material like newspaper articles in polish has not been translated!
It seems as though all the scores I have found for this piece are transcriptions of the manuscript. I know its been a while, and you may no longer have the book in your possession, but if you do, would you be able to scan the manuscript itself?
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Re: Frédéric Chopin

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Here is a higher quality pdf of the Mazurka in D Major score I found, this is copyrighted so I will remove it upon request.
Mazurka in D Major 'Mazurek' [Br. 4] [KK. Anh Ia'1].pdf
Here is also a short Mazurka in D Minor, usually paired with another work, and referred to as Allegretto and Mazurka KK. VIIb/7-8
Mazurka in D Minor.jpg
Some info on the piece from the book: 'The Collected Writings of Franz Liszt: F. Chopin':
"'After Sasha Guitry (1885-1957), the Russian-born French dramatist and screenwriter, died, some manuscripts in his possession were sold at auction at the Hotel Drout in Paris on 21 November 1974 to an anonymous collector. The attached manuscripts was among this collection. This Chopin holograph contained two short unpublished piano pieces with the titles Allegretto and Mazurka. Chopin's composition is noteworthy in its own right, as it is the only allegretto he is known to have composed. It is also written in A Major, a key that he only used in two other composition: Polonaise in A Major, op. 40 no. 1, and Mazurka in A Major, op. 7." Liszt developed the same folk tune in a few of his compositions: Melodies Polonaise from Glanes de Woronince, and his Duo Sonata for Violin and Piano. "The exact date of Chopin's manuscript cannot be ascertained with any degree of certainty. The holograph is undated, and the second piece, the Mazurka in D Minor, his only composition written in this key other than the D Minor Prelude, is not helpful for dating purposes, as he wrote many Mazurkas beginning in 1825 until the year of his death in 1849. An approximate date for Liszt's composition, Glanes de Woroninc, which incorporated the same folk tune in Allegretto, can be given."
While I do not have the score for the allegretto portion of the piece I have uploaded a Midi I found onto my YouTube channel of both compositions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4kGTMnhsGU

On an unrelated note, there are some Chopin fragments in the book http://en.chopin.nifc.pl/institute/publ ... ooks/id/27, including a Waltz in G-flat Major fragment written sometime after the Op. 64 Waltzes. It may interest some of you.
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I'my reading a bio of Vladimir de Pachman, and he apparently made some Chopin editions. Does anyone have any of these?
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IMSLP has about 12 of the de Pachmann Chopin editions. These are excellent but unfortunately very scarce. Here is a link to those available on IMSLP:

http://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Pachmann,_Vladimir_de
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fhimpsl wrote:IMSLP has about 12 of the de Pachmann Chopin editions. These are excellent but unfortunately very scarce. Here is a link to those available on IMSLP:
THANKS!
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Pachmann's sophisticated (partly simplifying) fingering of the Etude op. 10 No. 1
resulted in a remarkable recording by the master himself, evocative of winding snakes.
Unlike all other recordings this one lacks the uniform accents on the first note of each crotchet
which are automatically produced by the usual fingering.
Furthermore one of the rare examples where an unusually slow tempo
(as advocated by fanatics like Mr. Weller) is really convincing (...imho).

http://www.mediafire.com/file/i7jc29rhm ... c_1911.mp4

P.S. A closer look on the respective hairstyles of Pachmann and German pianist Konrad Elser
leads to the conclusion that the latter must be a descendant of Pachmann... :mrgreen:
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Re: Frédéric Chopin

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I already had Carl Pieper -Study on Chopin Etude (Book 1 only) and i was looking for the rest, when i come across this website.

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But all of these keep leading to "hazingfun movement"

Anyone have any idea this Hazingfun --- is it safe to click and register?
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Re: Frédéric Chopin

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I wouldn't touch that site with a ten foot pole! Especially since it seems a comic book site that wants your credit card details.
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