Le Trésor des Pianistes

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Re: Le Trésor des Pianistes

Post by fredbucket » Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:16 am

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Re: Le Trésor des Pianistes

Post by Jean-Séb » Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:18 am

Hi Fred, these seem to be the same as yesterday.

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Re: Le Trésor des Pianistes

Post by Riodk » Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:56 am

Perhaps Fred started uploading BEFORE he got his morning coffee :)

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Re: Le Trésor des Pianistes

Post by fredbucket » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:31 am

Jean-Séb wrote:Hi Fred, these seem to be the same as yesterday.
Whoops...
Riodk wrote:Perhaps Fred started uploading BEFORE he got his morning coffee :)
Actually, I don't drink coffee, but your point is valid nonentheless...

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Re: Le Trésor des Pianistes

Post by fredbucket » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:38 am

tdp_05_01_chambonnieres - pieces de clavecin livre 1 (1670).pdf
tdp_05_02_chambonnieres - pieces de clavecin livre 2 (1670).pdf
tdp_05_03_scarlatti, domenico - keyboard sonatas 027-049.pdf
tdp_05_04_beethoven - op. 2 - trois sonates pour le pianoforte.pdf
tdp_05_05_beethoven - op. 7 - grande sonate in e flat major.pdf
tdp_05_06_beethoven - op. 10 - trois sonates pour le pianoforte.pdf
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Re: Le Trésor des Pianistes

Post by Jean-Séb » Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:18 pm

You seem to be, and we are lucky and grateful for that.

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Re: Le Trésor des Pianistes

Post by fredbucket » Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:18 am

tdp_06_01_parthenia - musick by byrd, bull and gibbons.pdf
tdp_06_02_pieces by various english composers.pdf
tdp_06_03_bach, w.f. - twelve polonaises.pdf
tdp_06_04_bach, w.f. - sonata in e flat major (1739).pdf
tdp_06_05_bach, c.p.e. - six sonatas (1739-1784).pdf
tdp_06_06_beethoven - op. 13 - sonata pathetique.pdf
tdp_06_07_beethoven - op. 14 -deux sonates pour le pianoforte.pdf
tdp_06_08_beethoven - op. 22 grande sonate in b flat major.pdf
tdp_06_09_beethoven - op. 26 grande sonate in a flat major.pdf
tdp_06_10_beethoven - op. 27 sonates quasi una fantasia.pdf
tdp_06_11_beethoven - op. 28 sonate in d major.pdf
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Re: Le Trésor des Pianistes

Post by fredbucket » Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:38 am

tdp_07_01_muffat, gottlieb teofilo - seven keyboard suites.pdf
tdp_07_02_benda, georg - six keiboard sonatas (1757).pdf
tdp_07_03_bach, c.p.e. - six sonatas (1748-1774).pdf
tdp_07_04_beethoven - op. 31 trois sonates.pdf
tdp_07_05_beethoven - op. 49 deux sonates.pdf
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Re: Le Trésor des Pianistes

Post by Jean-Séb » Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:45 am

Thank you again for these.
What is it that makes these editions so valuable in the opinion of the musicologists ? What the layman that I am can admire above all is the perfect print and legibility of the edition (quite modern in my opinion), but I regret there are no fingerings nor explanations of the ornaments, grace notes, etc. Are they also particularly faithful to the manuscripts or first editions ?

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Re: Le Trésor des Pianistes

Post by fredbucket » Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:59 pm

Jean-Séb wrote:What is it that makes these editions so valuable in the opinion of the musicologists ? What the layman that I am can admire above all is the perfect print and legibility of the edition (quite modern in my opinion), but I regret there are no fingerings nor explanations of the ornaments, grace notes, etc. Are they also particularly faithful to the manuscripts or first editions ?
I suspect it is because in many cases, other than the limited publications during the composers' lifetime, that these were the first publications of many of these composers to become available to the general public. This appears to be the case certainly with CPE Bach, according to the list in Grove. It also appears that there was no intention to 'edit' as such, but simply to copy the notes. In some cases, for example Chambonnieres, a list of ornaments is included (I think I got them in when I saw them). With regard to the reliability, that depends on the sources. If there is an error in the source, that has been continued in TDP. An example is an (upcoming) Sonata by JCF Bach for which the source was the Clementi Practical Harmony as uploaded by CS. There is an error (!) in the last movement (compared to the manuscript dated 1774, the manuscript is not easy to read) in the Clementi which is repeated in the TDP, so this must have been the source rather than the manuscript, which in all likelihood hadn't seen the light of day at that time. So I don't think you can regard it as a 'critical' or urtext edition per se. Having said that, I think on the whole it is as reliable as any other edition from the 19th century, and certainly better than some of the German publications in that regard. I would be interested to hear comments, for example, about the Beethoven sonatas, and in the last volume (20) there are works by Chopin and Mendelssohn which have bee urtexted to death, as it were.

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